February 1st Increase in Learning Reading Group

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(This is the text transcript from the Reading Group Discussion about Increase in Learning Chapter 2: Knowledge, Understanding, and Intelligence. This discussion was held on Seek on February 1, 2012.)

Emily Watts
Hi, friends! Welcome to week 3 of our discussion of Increase in Learning, by Elder David A. Bednar. Today we'll be talking about chapter 2: "Knowledge, Understanding, and Intelligence."

Beth Kirby
I'm excited for this too.

Emily Watts
The first thing that hit me between the eyes in this chapter was the reminder that "all information and knowledge are not equally important." In the information age, that feels so profoundly true to me.

Beth Kirby
That's true. We are beset by so many irrelevant things, it's hard to filter it out.

Randy Bevan
I never relized I was learning in my heart

Carma L Coleman
I just found this today . . . via fb DB. I don't have a book, but am going to see how it goes.

Emily Watts
Beth, It is so easy to get information that's "fun," that makes good social conversation, but that essentially is trivial. How do we sort through it all?
Randy, it's interesting to think about the role of the heart in our learning process, isn't it?

Beth Kirby
Same here Randy.

Emily Watts
What did you think about the graduating "hierarchy" of knowledge, understanding, intelligence?

Natalie Watts Gardner
It's interesting how he started the book with the role the Holy Ghost plays in learning then the second chapter was this. An indicator that the Holy Ghost can show us what is Good Better and Best as far as learning is concerned

Beth Kirby
I was also struck by Joseph Smith's teachings about knowledge - especially the part about how I need it for my salvation.

Carma L Coleman
Maybe I don't get how this works. Is the discussion online? How do I see it?

Emily Watts
Carma, it's just a discussion thread--no video.

Emily Watts
Good point, Natalie.

Carma L Coleman
Oh thank you Emily.

Emily Watts
Beth, I was struck, too, about the importance of knowledge.

Beth Kirby
Emily, I actually had to read that a few times to be sure I really got it. The video clip helped a lot too.

Randy Bevan
Makes me feel a little smarter then I think I am :)

Natalie Watts Gardner
Beth, I wondered as I read that if that meant that "only smart people" can get to heaven.

Beth Kirby
Natalie, I was getting a little worried about that too, but I think he's referring more to knowledge of things of the spirit.

Emily Watts
Do you ever find yourself sometimes asking for "understanding" of something before you've worked to gain the "knowledge" about it?

Beth Kirby
It had never occurred to me that they were so intertwined with each other.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Yes all the time.

Randy Bevan
Yes

Emily Watts
It can be hard to do the work or even to know where to get the knowledge.

Natalie Watts Gardner
He used some scriptures in the Doctrine and Covenants to link Knowledge with study and intelligence with faith and obedience

Natalie Watts Gardner
So what would understanding be linked with?

Natalie Watts Gardner
Or is it a gift of the spirit...

Randy Bevan
Yes,a gift of the spirit I believe

Sherstin Hatch
Diligence?

Beth Kirby
Until you asked the question about asking for understanding before knowing, I hadn't thought about that. I'm sure I do that quite often.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Beth, yes I agree, I liked how he followed up with the scripture "Ye cannot be saved in ignorance"

Emily Watts
Understanding seems to be linked with the Spirit. But we still have to do the work to be prepared to be taught by the Spirit.

Lori Gilbertson
I link understanding with feelings in my heart.

Beth Kirby
Knowledge is in the head. Understanding is in the heart. I liked how Elder Bednar explained that.

Beth Kirby
And I marked that scripture, Natalie. It took on a whole new meaning for me.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
I really liked that too, Beth! It helped my understanding of the concept more concrete. And I realized that I've experienced both in my life.

Emily Watts
He says understanding occurs "when the Holy Ghost confirms in our hearts as true what we know in our minds." I keep coming back to the fact that the knowledge has to come first. That's how we become agents who act.

Natalie Watts Gardner
So if we were "intellegences" before we were born as spirit sons and daughters of God then does that mean we were inhearently obedient?

Natalie Watts Gardner
‎Beth me too!

Beth Kirby
I think that is something we forget sometimes, Emily - that we have to do the footwork.

Natalie Watts Gardner
‎Emily, I liked how he related that concept to the scripture "ever learning but never coming to an understanding of the truth"

Beth Kirby
That was one of the things I liked about this chapter, Emily. Learning that knowledge precedes understanding. I had never thought of that before.

Beth Kirby
Natalie, that really struck me as well.

Emily Watts
Natalie: Interesting question. Maybe "rebellion" didn't become part of the equation until we had spirit bodies?

Emily Watts
So where (besides the scriptures, obviously), do you go for knowledge?

Beth Kirby
Ensign, Conference Talks, Sunday School and Relief Society lessons.

Sherstin Hatch
Classic literature, primary research.

Natalie Watts Gardner
‎"Seek out of the best books..."

Beth Kirby
Teachings of various leaders. Educational books

Sherstin Hatch
Conference, mormon scholars.

Natalie Watts Gardner
I also love getting talks and lectures on tape to listen to while I clean/drive

Beth Kirby
My drives are too short. Never thought about listening while cleaning. (Maybe exercising too?)

Lorelie M. Sander
‎Beth Try it! You'll love your workouts. And here's a great website for inspiring speeches: http://speeches.byu.edu/

Emily Watts
He talks about truths coming "unto" the heart vs. getting "into" it. How has truth gotten "into" your heart?

Beth Kirby
Wow Emily. That is a good question but I am not sure how to answer that...

Beth Kirby
I suppose my testimony came into my heart...

Natalie Watts Gardner
Just like Laman and Lemuel - they were basically handed the gospel on a silver platter (UNTO) but their hearts were hard and those things never got INTO them

Natalie Watts Gardner
point of doctrine - did agency come when we became spirits or did we have it as intellegences - or has that not been revealed...

Emily Watts
‎Natalie: Don't think that's been revealed, but if you find it, bring it next week!

Randy Bevan
I really got hit hard when he talked about teaching our children to understand.

Emily Watts
Randy, me too. Takes FHE a huge step further, doesn't it?

Natalie Watts Gardner
I listened to a talk by John Bytheway called, "weed your brain grow your testimony" and he said our heart is like soil and it has to be constantly turned over and tilled to allow things to "come INTO it"

Emily Watts
Natalie: did he say how to do that? How do you "till" your heart?

Beth Kirby
One of the video clips really struck me when Elder Bednar instructed a young man to doodle and while he was doing that the Holy Ghost would answer his question.

Natalie Watts Gardner
He used the example of Alma the Younger being "harrowed up" and said a "harrow" is like a sharp spiky plow used to break up hard ground.

Natalie Watts Gardner
But I don't want to have to sink to the point of Alma the Younger before I'm brought back around...

Lee Davies
I liken the spirit bringing the truth into my heart when as a young adult I prayed to know if Joseph Smith truly saw Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Once I asked, I got an unmistakable answer, which then lead me to join the church.

Emily Watts
Lee, I think that component of asking is a huge factor!

Lee Davies
Right Emily, then I had to act! It's been the basis for all of the good that i've received and any good that I've done in the last 30 years of my membership.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
I agree, Emily and Lee. The times I've received truth INTO my heart are the times I've been truly seeking and asking for it.

Emily Watts
What do you do to give your children experiences with the Spirit, thus helping them move from Knowledge to Understanding?

Beth Kirby
I think that is where many people falter, Natalie. But in the video clips I noticed that Elder Bednar hardly directly answered the questions and he explained that was because the would retain it better if they learned it for themselves.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Beth - YES.

Natalie Watts Gardner
I think the youth don't recognize it at first and so you have to point things out to them.

Sherstin Hatch
I think I found a clue to wisdom in the reading. pg. 66 Mosiah 12:27 Wisdom = applying your hearts to understanding.

Natalie Watts Gardner
apply your hearts to understanding - yes!

Beth Kirby
Me too Sherstin.

Randy Bevan
Being a returning member, lost for 30 years, I dont know how to get it to my grown up children other then by example

Emily Watts
Sherstin, isn't it interesting the way he lines up scriptures and shows how they support one another?

Beth Kirby
I read the Book of Mormon cover to cover on my own not a part of an assignment. That way I wasn't looking for something very specific. Then I prayed. I felt the confirmation of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon in my heart.

Lorelie M. Sander
I think truth comes "into" our hearts when we are willing to act on the knowledge we receive. Joseph Smith's experience in the sacred grove is an example of this. He didn't just ask which church was true, he asked which was right so he would know which to join. When I am ready to act or make changes in my life, it is easier to receive knowledge and answers to prayer.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Sometimes I have to pray for "courage to act" before I can pray for direction because I know he won't give me answers if I am not going to act.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Natalie, I love that! I have to do the same thing - pray for courage to act.

Stacey Boam
That is a good idea Natalie. I seem to always hesitate.

Beth Kirby
I've done that too Natalie.

Sherstin Hatch
with children question: One way that goes well at our house is the personal progress program. My daughter and I will discuss the experiences together and as she has "acted" with the desire to want to learn, her heart os open to many truths that we discuss. Love that program.

Beth Kirby
Since my cats are my children, as I have no human children I can't answer the questions about teaching children...

Lee Davies
So, as for Elder Bednar's definition of intelligence... I don't know that I've ever looked at intelligence in the way he describes (or maybe I have and just didn't know it). Intelligence being the application of knowledge and understanding in action and judgement.

Emily Watts
It's interesting to recast it: "The glory of God is the righteous application of knowledge."

Lee Davies
That's it! : )

Sherstin Hatch
Love that!

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Love that, Emily! It gave me goosebumps! :)

Beth Kirby
True Emily. I was always a little fuzzy on intelligence in the spiritual sense. Elder Bednar cleared that up for me quite well.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Again, the new understanding of the word "intelligence" made me think of how we were intellegences before born as spirit children...but then it got too deep...have to chew on that one some more...

Lee Davies
Me too, Natalie.

Emily Watts
It just feels so different. We seem to equate it with IQ, but that's evidently not it at all.

Natalie Watts Gardner
I was amazed when he talked about how where true knolwedge and understanding are, darkness cannot exist.

Emily Watts
As Elder Bednar says, "Even the devils know. But they do not understand, and they certainly are not intelligent."

Beth Kirby
It actually made me feel better once I understood intelligence in the spiritual sense. I too kept linking it to things like IQ and ACT and SAT scores.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
I agree, Emily. The way the world measures things are so much different than how it is in the Lord's eyes. We try to be smart, beautiful, etc. according to the world's standards, but it is so powerful to see a glimpse of the Lord's perspective on these instead.

Emily Watts
Krisy, the good thing is, it's something we can all strive for. We may not all have a big IQ, but we can all progress and be obedient and apply the knowledge we've gained.

Natalie Watts Gardner
It also makes you realize that intelligence isn't shown as a test score or diploma, it's shown as light in someone's countanance.

Natalie Watts Gardner
It made Knowledge understanding and intelligence = LIGHT and suddenly I understood how the Spirit speaks to me.

Emily Watts
Intelligence--or, in other words, light and truth.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Sometimes I feel an answer like knowledge or light flowing into my mind.

Stacey Boam
Natalie: "Like"

Beth Kirby
It is really amazing all the things knowledge and understanding do for us in the spiritual sense.

Beth Kirby
I just never realized how important they were to my spiritual progression and ultimately my salvation.

Sherstin Hatch
I take exception to being called filth and dross. (pg 65 lectures on faith) :) Just Sayin...

Emily Watts
Sherstin--not YOU. Just the worldly things. [grin.]

Sherstin Hatch
‎:)

Beth Kirby
That was such an epiphany when I read about intelligence being as light in one's countenance.

Natalie Watts Gardner
It's always amazing to me to see someone who has "applied to understanding" and increased in spiritual intellegence and see how their eyes are so much brighter and their countenances lighter, and then the opposite is also true.

Beth Kirby
‎*LIKE* Natalie

Emily Watts
I love how the new definition of intelligence plays in the scripture about "Whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life . . ." Again, not how much KNOWLEDGE we gain, but how good we become at ACTING.

Natalie Watts Gardner
I guess that's what he means when we are charged to help our children understand - watch for changes in their countenances

Sherstin Hatch
True

Emily Watts
Natalie: And you can see someone "go dark," can't you? I can tell when my friends or my kids are struggling.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
And what a blessing it is to have friends and family that can see and understand that "going dark" because they also seem to understand how to help! I love that this opened my eyes to that concept more.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Yep. I think that is why the spiritual gift of discernment is something we should "apply unto"

Beth Kirby
Knowing that I need to act to gain intelligence helps me do more to seek out the truths of the gospel better.

Emily Watts
When Elder Bednar asks, "What can and should I do to becoming and remain a LIVING member of the Savior's LIVING Church?" What comes to your mind?

Lee Davies
Obedience...

Lee Davies
Obedience, obedience, obedience

Natalie Watts Gardner
If something is LIVING it has to be fed.

Beth Kirby
Studying the scriptures and applying them to my life. Obedience. Living the gospel daily.

Emily Watts
I confess the silly thought that occurred to me was from Sesame Street, in a little song that tells how you know something is "alive": It eats and drinks and grows. I ask myself, am I growing?

Beth Kirby
Good point Natalie!

Sherstin Hatch
Continue in the knowledge, understanding and intelligence pattern.

Natalie Watts Gardner
I loved how he said that when we feel the Spirit we have a greater desire to learn

Lorelie M. Sander
sharing the gospel. not only does missionary work make me feel alive, but if the Church is living, I think it should be growing as well.

Beth Kirby
Now that I am applying what Elder Bednar teaches in this book, I can feel myself progressing or growing again. It has also help me to finally figure out how to truly study the scriptures and liken them to me.

Natalie Watts Gardner
‎Lorelie - YES. And when I feel the Spirit more (taste the fruit more) I look around and want to share it more.

Emily Watts
Lorelie *Like*!
Natalie: That makes it seem a little less overwhelming. Do you feel bogged down by the expectations sometimes?

Sherstin Hatch
Me too. It has gotten me out of a spiritual slump.

Lee Davies
I love how living gospel principles has helped me grow as a person in so many ways and on so many levels.

Emily Watts
‎"If to do were as easy as to know what were good to do."

Natalie Watts Gardner
I don't feel bogged down when I feel the Spirit because it turns from an EXPECTATION to a DESIRE.

Beth Kirby
Absolutely Natalie. And I have found that to be absolutely true.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Ooh, I love the way you describe that Natalie! Expectations turned into desires. It's so accurate.

Beth Kirby
That is a very good way of putting it Natalie.

Lee Davies
When I feel "bogged down" by expectations that's when the atonement kicks in for me..

Natalie Watts Gardner
That's how I know if I am in a forward motion, if the Gospel feels more like stepping stone after stepping stone instead of stumbling block after stumbling block.

Emily Watts
‎"A depth of desire and commitment not obtainable through reason alone," Elder Bednar puts it (p. 68).

Sherstin Hatch
interesting

Lee Davies
Ditto Natalie!

Emily Watts
So how do you impart it to someone else who really needs it?

Natalie Watts Gardner
proverbial Spiritual Runners High...never experienced an actal runners high myself but i can imagine...

Natalie Watts Gardner
You take it UNTO and UNTO and UNTO until they take it INTO.

Sherstin Hatch
Show them you love them.

Natalie Watts Gardner
You meet them with love and truth at every corner so that when they're ready they'll eat it - it's like feeding a 3-year-old...

Randy Bevan
By Example

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
I think that the best way to help others struggling with this is by example. They can see it in your countenance, even if they don't understand what it means. And they will want it in their lives too.

Lorelie M. Sander
but I agree with Natalie, you just keep giving them the opportunity over and over to know what you know and feel what you feel. And if you are motivated by love your efforts will go a long way.

Stacey Boam
Emily: You pray for the judgement and discernment to know how to invite them to act in accordance with truth.

Beth Kirby
I think Stacey really summarizes that question.

Beth Kirby
Elder Bednar actually discussed that in one of the video clips, Emily.

Emily Watts
It's hard to balance my feelings of responsibility as a parent with my knowledge that I can't MAKE them obey and be happy.

Beth Kirby
We can't make them.

Emily Watts
Me and Lehi, huh?

Lorelie M. Sander
‎Emily. Sometimes it seems like it would be good to revoke agency a little for certain people ;)

Sherstin Hatch
‎:)

Emily Watts
Does agency feel like a burden sometimes?

Beth Kirby
Only other people's agency, Emily. (;

Beth Kirby
It's hard to step back when someone you love is struggling.

Natalie Watts Gardner
I also think you don't take consequences away - sometimes the consequences are "harrows" to break up hard ground and if we think we are doing someone a favor by getting them off the hook their ground will remain hard...

Beth Kirby
But then I have to remind myself that if they didn't have agency than I wouldn't have it either.

Emily Watts
Beth, [grin.]
But I mean for me personally sometimes. There are times I just want someone to tell me what to do!

Stacey Boam
Emily "LIKE"

Stacey Boam
I think it can be a burden. Sometimes I would rather someone just tell me what to do then to choose for myself, but then I realize that would deft the purpose.

Beth Kirby
Yes. I sometimes wish the Lord would just display some big neon sign that says "this is the way" or "this is the answer"

Natalie Watts Gardner
Sometimes when agency feels like a burden it helps to remember how hard we fought for that agency in the premortal life...

Natalie Watts Gardner
‎1/3 of the hosts of heaven felt burdened by agency too and since they have "knowledge" they want us to feel burdened by agency as well.

Emily Watts
Growing is hard. But HAVING GROWN is wonderful!

Emily Watts
Good thought, Natalie. Sometimes it's important to remember who else has a stake in our beliefs--or lack of belief.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Having grown is wonderful, Emily! And I think sometimes we don't notice how much we've grown because it's gradual. And then suddenly we look back and realize just how much we have.

Lorelie M. Sander
Sometimes I'd like someone to make all my hard decisions for me but if I remember how much I dislike being told what to do, that goes away pretty quickly :)

Beth Kirby
It is easy to want to slip into being passive instead of active. Having to act sometimes feels like a huge burden or impossibly difficult.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Kind of brings learning from "God's University" - the temple - into a new light of importance.

Emily Watts
Another thought from Elder Bednar: "The role of a teacher is to invite a learner to act." How does this play out in a teaching setting in the Church, for instance?

Sherstin Hatch
Act first. Then the confirming witness comes. If it doesn't, then it wasn't the right choice. I also liked that Bednar again admonished us to create an appropriate spiritual environment in the home--that was a key to inviting understanding. I think this is key for mothers.

Emily Watts
How often do you come away from church on a Sunday feeling motivated to ACT?

Natalie Watts Gardner
As a teacher you have to discern the Spirit and when people you are teaching are feeling it, because that is the CRITICAL time to invite them to act because their hearts are soft.

Beth Kirby
Teachers and auxiliary presidencies probably struggle with that a lot.

Sherstin Hatch
Like that.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
I think a lot of times, the motivation to act is only recognized by the goals we set from what we learned.

Emily Watts
‎"Parents and leaders should become guides who help young people learn how to find answers for themselves." But as YW pres. I had a terrible time with that. What works?

Natalie Watts Gardner
I think it was Elder Bednar that said that motivation only comes when we are in the act of acting. If I am laying in bed waiting for motivation to move forward it won't likely come.

Beth Kirby
‎*LIKE* Natalie

Randy Bevan
Good question

Natalie Watts Gardner
‎Emily - consistency. Constant interaction with the Youth. That's why Seminary is daily.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Think of how much the Church invests in the Youth - Church every Sunday, Seminary every day, Mutual every week. Constant and Consistant.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
I agree with Natalie. And in those constant interactions, I think offering invitations for them to seek answers is important. It is by doing that they will gain the experience.

Emily Watts
I think I know how Elder Bednar would answer the question. He'd invite me to go out and search for knowledge and understanding of the doctrine. It all comes back, and back, and back, to being agents who act.

Beth Kirby
I know I did better when the YW advisers did more than just give us a lesson on Sunday. I had a lot of personal struggles and when my YW advisor recognized I was struggling they would reach out. That meant a lot and helped me through.

Lorelie M. Sander
That's why I think it's so important to do what you can to invite the Spirit in to all your lessons and activities. When you're teaching a group, different people probably need different invitations, but if we are in a place where the Spirit is, he can extend the invitations we personally need.

Beth Kirby
Agree, Lorelie.

Emily Watts
It's so difficult, because the competition from the world is so LOUD. That's why the offerings have to be constant. We can't give up!

Natalie Watts Gardner
Teach them to unplug.

Sherstin Hatch
True

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
And I think that when we say this will help the youth, it really applies to all of us - to any opportunity we have to teach and share our testimonies.

Beth Kirby
And yet unplugging is so hard to do - and not just for the youth.

Emily Watts
And being as patient with them as Heavenly Father is with me seems like a big part of it.

Lorelie M. Sander
As far as helping young people find answers, try asking them what their specific question is then tell them to study it and you can promise to study it too, then you can get back together and share what you both found in the scriptures.

Beth Kirby
I suppose that is why they say patience is a virtue, Emily.

Natalie Watts Gardner
I think it is so important to help them recognize WHEN they are feeling the Spirit. "Why did you choose to dress that way, tell the truth, etc.? What did you feel? THAT'S THE HOLY GHOST!"

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Beth *Like!*

Emily Watts
Lorelie, I think that's great for kids who know what their questions are. It's harder for the ones who shrug and say, "I dunno."

Lorelie M. Sander
and I think sometimes teenagers are paying more attention to lessons and feeling the spirit a lot more than they want you to know...so don't get discouraged

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
I agree with Lorelie. "I dunno" doesn't always mean they really don't know, they might just not feel ready to open up about it. But that doesn't mean they aren't listening and trying to figure it out in their own way.

Natalie Watts Gardner
‎Lorelie - TOTALLY.

Natalie Watts Gardner
The youth of the Church DO feel the Spirit, they just need the confidence to know that's what they're feeling and then they'll act.

Beth Kirby
Sometimes the shy ones will say "I dunno" even though they know because they don't feel comfortable sharing.

Beth Kirby
I think it boils down to patience, love, consistency and continually inviting the spirit in to our daily lives and as we fulfill our callings - no matter what your calling is.

Emily Watts
Beth: Amen.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Well said, Beth!

Lorelie M. Sander
Beth that's very true! you could invite all of them to anonymously write the questions they want you to address in an upcoming lesson

Natalie Watts Gardner
Speaking developmentally, it helps to remember that kids brains aren't fully wired yet. I wonder how much more wiring I have to go on God's scale...

Emily Watts
I remind myself always that they were Heavenly Father's children before they were mine, and He is able to teach them.

Lorelie M. Sander
Emily--that's where the spirit comes in again. I remember sometimes as a missionary I would just know the questions an investigator was going to ask or the doctrine they would struggle with before we even taught the lesson & I could be prepared to talk about it. There's no reason why a parent or a youth leader can't ask to know what questions a youth has or to understand what the issue really is behind the questions they throw out.

Natalie Watts Gardner
And always pray that D&C 100:4 will apply to you "it will be given IN THE VERY MOMENT what ye should say..."

Emily Watts
Lorelie--makes sense. That's your stewardship, after all.

Sherstin Hatch
I love the interactive part of this book. The DVD really helps clarify what I read.

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
I agree, Sherstin. The format of this book was DEFINITELY inspired!!

Beth Kirby
Agree, Sherstin!

Emily Watts
Sherstin, me too. I didn't really "get it" until I'd watched that. And even now, I'm still "getting it" more and more each time we talk!

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Me too, Emily. I love these discussions. They are powerful!

Beth Kirby
The clips really helped me understand better and act better.

Emily Watts
That "Act" thing again.
Does anyone else's watch say 2:00? Dang it! Parting thoughts, anyone?

Emily Watts
Next week: related readings for chapter 2, starting with the famous "pickle talk."

Beth Kirby
Mine actually says 4:00, Emily. *Grin*

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Beth *Like!* Thanks for making me smile. :)

Emily Watts
Beth. You are funny.

Lorelie M. Sander
I love these discussions. They always give me a lot to think about!

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Me too, Lorelie. Did you see that they posted the last two discussions here on Seek? So cool!

Natalie Watts Gardner
Just a side question - do you find it better to watch the video before, during or after you read the book?

Beth Kirby
During works for me. (This hour passes far too quickly!)

Emily Watts
Natalie, I watched it after and loved it. I know people who watched it before and loved it. I say, fit it in when you can!

Krisy Bennett Shaughnessy
Natalie, I read the ebook and the videos are embedded right in the middle of the text. So I do during and it's fantastic. They are perfectly placed to help my understanding.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Thanks Beth.

Lee Ann Harrop
I loved Bednar thought " The intensity with which we feel the sprite's influence is not always the same. Strong dramatic spiritual impressions do not come to us frequently. Even as we strive to be faithful and obedient. There simply are times when the direction assurance and peace of the spirit are not readily recognizable in our lives.....

Beth Kirby
Because of what I read, I am actually able to understand what it means to study the scriptures.

Natalie Watts Gardner
Beth, *LIKE* and I have been unplugging and taking time to PONDER more too.

Beth Kirby
So have I Natalie.

Emily Watts
See you all next week, I hope. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. It is awesome to be increasing in learning with you!

Beth Kirby
Thank YOU Emily!

Randy Bevan
Thank You everyone

Natalie Watts Gardner
See you next week! This is the perfect mid-week spiritual pick me up to get me to Sunday again.

Beth Kirby
‎*LIKE* Natalie.

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Power to Become Quote: The Worst Sin Power to Become Quote: The Worst Sin

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Real Acts in Doctrine Real Acts in Doctrine
Real Acts In Doctrine is a three-part series that explores the... Read
Power to Become: Couples - Short Video Power to Become: Couples - Short Video
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Power to Become Additional Readings Power to Become Additional Readings
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Power to Become Quote: Challenge to Couples Power to Become Quote: Challenge to Couples

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Preparing for Marriage: An Invitation Preparing for Marriage: An Invitation
Elder David A. Bednar counsels single Latter-day Saints on how they... Watch
Act in Doctrine: Chapter 1 Discussion Act in Doctrine: Chapter 1 Discussion
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Praying with Patience Praying with Patience
How can we align our will with Heavenly Father's, even when our... Watch
Understand the Doctrine of Marriage Understand the Doctrine of Marriage
When you see marriage in the broader context of the plan of... Watch
The Essence of the Gospel Is Change The Essence of the Gospel Is Change
Elder David A. Bednar shares a personal reflection about why he... Watch
Is There a Limit to Our Potential? Is There a Limit to Our Potential?
Elder David A. Bednar discusses becoming one of the "noble and... Watch
Where Do You Get Your Light? Where Do You Get Your Light?
Elder David A. Bednar explains the necessity of learning truth for... Watch
Seeing Ourselves As We Really Are Seeing Ourselves As We Really Are
In Act in Doctrine, Elder David A. Bednar shares key insights to... Watch
Act in Doctrine: Chapter 2 Discussion Act in Doctrine: Chapter 2 Discussion
Discussion thread related to Chapter One of Elder David A. Bednar's... Read
How Can We Measure Our Progress? How Can We Measure Our Progress?
Elder David A. Bednar highlights the significance of the sacrament... Watch
Act in Doctrine: Chapter 4 Discussion Act in Doctrine: Chapter 4 Discussion
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Power to Become Quote: Challenge to Young Adults Power to Become Quote: Challenge to Young Adults

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Know What's Happening in the World Know What's Happening in the World
Elder David A. Bednar explains the importance of being anxiously... Watch
It's hard to be like Jesus; sometimes I don't feel the Spirit It's hard to be like Jesus; sometimes I don't feel the Spirit
In Act in Doctrine, Elder David A. Bednar shares key insights to... Watch
How do we balance self-reliance with being spiritually dependent? How do we balance self-reliance with being spiritually dependent?
In Act in Doctrine, Elder David A. Bednar shares key insights to... Watch
What can you teach us about helping those who are not desiring to learn? What can you teach us about helping those who are not desiring to learn?
In Act in Doctrine, Elder David A. Bednar shares key insights to... Watch
Power to Become Quote: He Trusts You Power to Become Quote: He Trusts You

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Act in Doctrine: Chapter 3 Discussion Act in Doctrine: Chapter 3 Discussion
Discussion thread related to Chapter One of Elder David A. Bednar's... Read
How can I set myself up for success and not for discouragement? How can I set myself up for success and not for discouragement?
In Act in Doctrine, Elder David A. Bednar shares key insights to... Watch
How can I be more like Jesus? How can I be more like Jesus?
In Act in Doctrine, Elder David A. Bednar shares key insights to... Watch
Power to Become Additional Readings Power to Become Additional Readings
As followers of Christ, our desire is to become like Him. In fact,... Read
Why do I have to be 12 to go inside the temple? Why do I have to be 12 to go inside the temple?
In Act in Doctrine, Elder David A. Bednar shares key insights to... Watch
What If You've Hit a Learning Plateau? What If You've Hit a Learning Plateau?
Elder David A. Bednar talks about having "eyes to see" beyond the... Watch
Power to Become: Youth Part 2 - Short Video Power to Become: Youth Part 2 - Short Video
Part two of A Discussion with the Youth Watch
How would you explain to someone that rules aren’t restraining? How would you explain to someone that rules aren’t restraining?
In Act in Doctrine, Elder David A. Bednar shares key insights to... Watch
Power to Become Quote: Challenge to Youth Power to Become Quote: Challenge to Youth

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