March 14th Increase in Learning Reading Group

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(This is the text transcript from the Reading Group Discussion about Increase in Learning Chapter 4 Related Readings. This discussion was held on Seek on March 14, 2012.)

Emily
Hi, friends! It's an adventure every week to get in here, isn't it? But here we are! Welcome!

Beth
Howdy!

Krisy
Hi Emily! And Beth! :)

Emily
So sorry I missed last week. I enjoyed reading the transcript of the discussion. But I wanted to share the other half of what I've been thinking about with my quest for order. Set for another long post? Here we go:

After I had decided on "order" as a principle of the doctrine of the plan of salvation, the Spirit prodded me to think harder. Think deeper. And I wondered, “What if I were to treat ‘order’ as a doctrine instead of a principle?” What if order is the doctrine that answers the why of “Why does everything in the universe work so beautifully?” I began to look for order in the way God worked, and of course, it’s everywhere, from the proximity of the earth to the sun right down to my body’s capacity to regulate its temperature!
So, what are some principles that seem related to “order”? I came up with an interesting list as I observed order in the scriptures. Here’s my list:
-Priority/sequence (the order in Creation)
-Moderation (Could God have created the whole world in one “day”? Why didn’t He?)
-Delegation (Return and report)
-Harmony (Order brings both internal harmony and the harmony between parts of a whole)
-Wise use of resources
-Constancy
I realized as I pondered these principles that the applications that flowed from them were more complete, more meaningful, and more specific:
-Systematic organization of things
-Having priorities straight
-Not owning more things than I need or have room for in my life
-Delegating responsibilities
-Working together as a family
-Saving for retirement and for our dreams
-Consistency
Now my goal is to understand the doctrine of order, to get it into my mind and heart, and see what it does to my ability to execute the applications.

Anyway, the main point I wanted to make is that when you get in and start playing around with this framework, it is, well, kind of amazing.

Krisy
I agree! And I really loved the related readings. Elder Bednar really is, well, brilliant!

Beth
The framework is so useful in so many aspects of our lives. I agree, Krisy. He is brilliant. :)

Emily
It is so interesting to read the related readings with the lenses on of doctrine, principle, and application. That really is the way Elder Bednar teaches. I'll be interested to hear his next conference talk and see if it still applies there!

Beth
I bet it will still apply! :)

Emily
Meanwhile, let's talk about the readings that are here. What struck you?

Emily
I found myself wondering if the marriage talk would have felt like it applied to me as a single woman. Because, reading it with doctrine/principle/application in mind, it feels like it would.

Beth
It seemed to me that even the order in which the readings were presented followed the framework. As a single woman, Emily, I did find ways to apply what he said to me.

Emily
Explain that a little more, Beth. (The order of the readings, I mean.) This is the sort of talk I would have skipped over when I was single. But I'm with you, Beth, it just felt a lot more relevant to me when I was considering marriage as a doctrine.

Beth
I suppose that on the surface the order of readings came to me as a doctrine, and principle, and an application in that order. Of course, when you really get to the nitty gritty of each one, they each contained all 3.

Beth
Honestly, Emily. If I hadn't been reading the book and saw the marriage talk on it's own, I likely would have really just skimmed over it thinking "this doesn't apply to me"

Emily
I know, Beth. And I was tempted to skip the missionary one as well.

Krisy
Isn't it funny how we judge something based on just glimpsing at the title when if we really understood (like we know do with the framework!), we'd understand how applicable it is!
@Emily, me too!

Emily
So right, Krisy! When I started looking for the doctrine, the principles that applied to ME as a middle-aged woman started jumping out, and it didn't matter that the talk seemed at first to be addressed to young men.

Beth
It is. I find I have to be careful when any general authority starts speaking on eternal marriage and eternal families because I'll start to zone out for that very reason, Krisy
(I suppose that is what Elder Bednar and other leaders are trying to warn us about - zoning out because we think it's not applicable to us)

Emily
Do you suppose if I understood the doctrine underlying missionary work better, it wouldn't be so hard for me to DO missionary work?
Beth --and zoning out is the way of our world, isn't it?

Krisy
I just love that this book has helped me realize that everything in the gospel is applicable to everyone - no matter who we are or where we're at in life.

Beth
Yes, Emily. I think so. And I think that is what Elder Bednar is trying to tell us too.

Krisy
@Emily, I do too.

Emily
"Prayerful pondering of the principle of becoming will invite inspiration tailored to the specific needs . . ." (p. 189). That's felt true in spades!

Beth
Yes Krisy! That's been a huge "aha! moment" as I've read this book. Things that I thought didn't apply really do matter and apply to me.
Emily, I need to put that quote up where I can see it constantly so I can remember that.

Emily
He talks on page 188 about the process of "becoming" like a missionary. Can you see other applications of that kind of process?

Beth
I definitely need that tailored inspiration!

Natalie
I love the idea that knowing ABOUT doctrine isn't enough - we must have "the power of his word...IN us" Alma 26:13

Emily
Natalie: it takes us clear back to the difference between knowing and understanding (chapter 2).
It takes my breath away to consider the sequence in which he has taught these things. They truly all build on each other.

Beth
Emily by list of his becoming approach is endless.

Natalie
Right - which was why Book of Mormon prophets found it so important to "try the virtue of the word of God" instead of going to war.
That teaching doctrine would change behavior better than going to war or teaching behavior would change behavior

Emily
But they ended up at war anyway, which shows that we can't take this doctrine for granted.

Natalie
Which provides new insight into the importance of general conference.

Beth
So true, Emily!

Tina
It made me realize I need to start now with my boys so they can become missionaries before they are ever called.

Natalie
@ Emily - what do you mean?

Beth
Yes Natalie. I'm going to pay even greater attention at conference now.

Emily
Hi, Tina! You're right--the responsibilities seem weightier.

Tina
Hi, it also made me realize that if I can just BE a missionary all the time, if it becomes part of who I am, I won't be scared anymore.

Emily
Natalie: I think we could fall into a complacency that the doctrine answers everything (which it does), and then not move on to "intelligence," or acting on the doctrine. And so it goes until we lose our capacity to act on the doctrine, and even preaching won't help us.

Natalie
@ Tina - it's amazing isn't it!

Tina
I also really appreciated the Marriage talk as our state is currently in the middle of defining what marriage is. It really made me want to find out more and fight it.

Natalie
Ah I see.

Krisy
@Emily, I really appreciate that thought. I agree.

Emily
Tina, no kidding. If ever there were an era when we need a CLEAR understanding of the doctrine of marriage, it is now.

Natalie
I thought about that when I read the first reading too. And I thought - If gender is an essential characteristic and has divine purpose then how do I as a parent make sure to raise my kids accordingly? Raise BOYS and GIRLS ?

Emily
His clear articulation of Satan's plan: "he works to warp the elements of the Father's plan he hates the most," made me appreciate the doctrine of marriage even more.

Natalie
And it's NOT about pink and blue and trucks and dolls. It's about who they ARE.

Tina
Before reading that talk, I waffled a little because I know some people with differing views and was trying to see things objectively, Now that I understand the doctrine, I can explain it to them better and to my kids who are actually having to deal with this in 2nd grade!

Natalie
and helping them recognize their divine roles - so how do you do it?

Beth
That's one of the main reasons why I was able to stay with it while reading the marriage talk - to get an understanding of why the Father's plan is so important when it comes to what marriage really is.

Emily
Natalie, how do you help them understand the doctrine of the plan of salvation and the eternal nature of gender identity?

Natalie
I don't know - that's what I'm asking...

Tina
We're definitely going to have more FHE's and dinner conversations about it. I'm finding we need to be proactive about it.

Natalie
I mean my kids are tiny, and I know learning starts at birth, but we haven't really had an opportunity to address this...

Emily
What are the ETERNAL elements of gender identity? (Hint--you're right, it's not about pink and blue.) What is a woman's role in the Father's plan? What is a man's role? How do they differ?

Tina
Priesthood power and bearing children,

Emily
I'm not going to give you an answer, by the way. I'm going to pull an Elder Bednar on you: "What doctrine, if understood . . ."

Emily
But Tina, yes, I think that's the basic level on which it starts.

Natalie
I really don't know all of the elements of gender identity that are eternal, because so many of them overlap. I mean I know about priesthood and bearing children but I believe that men and women both can work together to be nurturers and I believe that men and women both can be good leaders

Beth
I think they can both be nuturers too.

Emily
Yes. The question is, where would you go to LEARN the doctrine about this?

Natalie
Studying parents in the scriptures.

Beth
It seems teamwork is important in a marriage....

Tina
I think of the old analogy of two doors to a house, one that fits perfectly to the dad abilities and one for the mom. Both have to stand guard. If one leaves or tried to guard the wrong door that doesn't fit them, who know what can enter that home.

Emily
I like that, Tina!

Krisy
That is really great, Tina!

Natalie
@ Tina - that's great!

Emily
I'll bet you can find a lot of the doctrine in conference talks as well. They've ramped up teachings about the family in the past 10 years as the attacks on the family have become more virulent.

Tina
True, they do hit doctrines well in conference talks.

Krisy
I agree, Emily. I find the conference talks to be more specific about ways we can be parents NOW. Not that the scriptures don't, I just find conference talks to be more clear about it.

Emily
The important thing is to keep asking the right questions. The Spirit is the teacher (as Elder Bednar ALWAYS points out.)

Natalie
Do you know what this book has done to me - it's made me realize how complacent I had become in my beliefs - like I accepted them as true because I was too lazy to ask "WHY".

Beth
And I have to remember to stop focussing on what I don't have when they talk about the family. Because otherwise all that talk will leave me utterly depressed.

Tina
It's sometimes hard to find a scriptures story that matches situations exactly too. I was so hoping yesterday to find one about practicing the piano! :)

Krisy
@Natalie - me too!!

Beth
These are reasons why all the talk of marriage and family are applicable to me as a single person from a not-ideal family background.

Krisy
And I hadn't realized at all how complacent I was. I'd thought I'd been doing well! It's been a great eye-opener.

Emily
Beth: I can't imagine how hard that must be sometimes. But you're right--it all applies to you, and when you think about it from an eternal standpoint you can see how even better.

Natalie
Yeah and a little scary - picking apart your testimony to see if it's intact is hard and a little painful.

Emily
Natalie and Krisy, that's exactly what the third reading did to me. Smacked me between the eyes and said, "Wake up!"

Krisy
Me too, Emily! The first two were great but I really loved the third.

Tina
Remind me which was the third. My husband stole the book!

Natalie
And it's so important to "wake up" because of the way the world is going...

Emily
The notion of digital distractions disconnecting us from things as they really are is going to be increasingly important.

Beth
I too realized I'd been complacent in beliefs and learning from reading this book. I also realized that often when I'm not getting answers it may be that I am not asking the right questions. This framework is going to be super helpful for me in that respect! :)

Krisy
Dang husbands! ;) It's Things as They Really Are

Beth
Oh the third one was phenomenal! I will be reading that over and over and over again.

Tina
OH yes! I loved that one. I posted that talk on FB right away with the video after I read it.

Beth
I think I'm going to steal that idea from you Tina!

Natalie
me too!

Emily
I love how he sees stuff so clearly. The notion of "missing the richness of person-to-person communication . . ." I'd like to paste that on every dang cell phone screen I see!

Tina
Paste one on my teens' mirrors too, would you?

Natalie
HAHAHA!

Emily
I KNOW! I'll never forget when I was driving my youngest daughter to a party with two of her friends and they were sitting in the back seat of my car TEXTING EACH OTHER!

Natalie
Elder Cook gave the last CES fireside and he warned against the use of anonymity in social media, saying that we hide behind a screen and now we hide behind a fake name.

Beth
I suppose this is where I would need to make Elder Bednar "deliriously happy" and step "way out of my comfort zone" I am honestly drained when I do a lot of person-to-person interaction. How do I balance my need to be alone with not becoming to removed from the real world?

Tina
And I'm just as guilty. I read it and went to FB...ironic. I do struggle with the balance of it all.

Krisy
It is a hard balance to find because we live in a world that is SO digitally based.

Emily
Beth: I think we can be alone without disconnecting from the real world. Scriptures are part of the real world. Good books. The temple. It doesn't have to be a screen all the time.

Krisy
I agree Emily. Especially the temple. Our "alone time" is still really important so we can ponder and absorb the things we gain from our "people time"

Emily
A guideline from Elder Bednar: Neither technology nor rapid change in or of itself is good or evil; the real challenge is to understand both within the context of the eternal plan of happiness.

Tina
I just read a book about how screen time actually affects your brain and makes you less motivated to be with real people. I have put on time restrictions on the internet since then. And K9.

Emily
In other words, act, and don't just be acted upon.

Beth
I guess what I mean is how do I address my apparent need for a lot of quiet alone time with the fact that I should probably interact with people in the real world more than I do now but don't because of the drain it is on me.

Emily
Tina: Scary.

Krisy
Excellent guideline, Emily!

Natalie
I have a problem feeling good about the "work" I am doing on social media platforms, and then realize how many neighbors would have better off with my "live" help... That helps me to assess myself and find balance.

Krisy
@Beth, maybe I'm wrong but that balance is up to you. I don't think there is a quota that must be filled. For me, I need social interaction much more than my husband. So even though we share the same house, our balance levels are different.

Tina
I agree. Everyone is different. I see it in my kids. Some needs lots of interaction and others just want to go read.

Beth
I kind of hope so because I was left seriously concerned that I haven't been as interactive with real people in the real world as I should be.

Tina
Maybe the time can be more quality than quantity?

Krisy
I think the only interaction you need to make sure is happening is with Heavenly Father. Everything else is on a personal basis. :)

Emily
Beth, again from Elder Bednar: "The Lord knows who we really are, what we really think, what we really do, and who we really are becoming." He knows your needs, your gifts, and He wants you to stretch but not to ignore those needs and gifts.

Krisy
Elder Bednar just says it so perfectly!

Beth
But feeling that I am as active as I can be given the draining effect. :)
Thanks for the encouragement. It's amazing how I can get so caught up with feeling inadequate and miss that Elder Bednar as answered the very questions I'm asking.

Emily
Social platforms are useful. Personal interaction is important. Just do it all!

Emily
I would have put a "wry grin" on that last post if I knew how.

Natalie
:/

Emily
Ah--thanks, Natalie.

Tina
Has anyone watched the interview with Sister Bednar? I have a new hero.

Natalie
AMEN! SHE IS FANTASTIC!!

Emily
Tina: YES! I couldn't believe how well matched they are.

Beth
I need to watch again! She's my new hero too.

Natalie
And yet they are so different.

Emily
She made it real for me when she admitted her own struggles to understand these concepts.

Tina
I see so much of myself in her shyness. I need to learn as she did to be more bold.

Natalie
I wish I could watch them in action and take notes "a day in the life of the Bednars"

Emily
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at one of their home evenings. Four boys, right? Can't have been easy.

Beth
I could identify with some of things she's overcome so very well! I would love to meet her in person and talk to her about it all.

Krisy

Natalie
, maybe it's time to start making LDS Reality TV? ;)

Tina
:) Seriously. There should be a whole 15 week series.

Natalie
They are totally different and yet MATCH so well - the perfect definition of male and female

Beth
Her shyness is what I really identified with.

Natalie
@ Tina - that would be AWESOME!

Tina
I love the examples from their family life.

Krisy
She is just so... real. That's what I loved.

Beth
I was thinking the same thing - about watching them together - Natalie!

Emily
Beth, didn't you love when she said she had determined never to say no again to the opportunity to testify?

Natalie
I think they only had 3 boys

Emily
Oh, three boys. Yup, says so right on the jacket flap. Well, still not that easy!

Beth
Yes. Something that went right in line with this huge obstacle I was able to overcome recently after applying what I read in this book to my life.

Tina
I loved that...that she stepped up to the challenge despite her fears.

Natalie
@ Emily I loved that.

Tina
And then the Lord filled in the rest.

Emily
And then he totally put her to the test, and you could see her just bite back wanting to smack him, but then she went on and expressed her opinion, and it was just wonderful to see it coming together.

Natalie
RIGHT. She is probably used to having her buttons pushed...

Emily
He does seem to be a bit of a stirrer-upper, doesn't he?

Natalie
But she is so HUMBLE and has accomplished GREAT THINGS by pushing the limits.

Beth
I would love it if she wrote a biography!

Natalie
I don't think he does it in a malicious way (although I don't know what "reality TV would show" ;)

Tina
I thought the same thing! I think all Apostle wives should...you know, in their free time. ;)

Emily
She is the embodiment of Elder Bednar's statement: "Obedience opens the door to the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost."

Natalie
yep.

Krisy
Ha ha, @Tina - in their free time. :)
@Emily She is a great example to all of us!

Emily
She obeyed the Spirit's promptings to open her mouth, and so she has that much more claim on the Spirit to fill it. It's just a little microcosm of the whole book, exemplified in her life. And in his.

Tina
But I do realized I can't become more like her by just learning about her. I have to do the work myself. Boo.

Natalie
It is very evident that he wouldn't be who he is without her, nor her without him

Beth
Always have to work. I can't even try to justify not working by saying I need to know her better... So true, Natalie!

Emily
Natalie, as you ponder about that, some of your questions about teaching children about gender identity might be answered.

Natalie
RIGHT - That's what I'm chewing on right now.

Krisy
Wow Emily, what a great point!

Emily
Tina: theoretical is always easier than practical, isn't it?

Krisy
And Natalie, I love how you said that. It makes me wonder how much I'm contributing/not contributing to my marriage.

Emily
And, Krisy, how I might strengthen other people's marriages if I were setting the right example. Starting with my own married children.

Tina
I just want an install button or something. Just download these characteristics right into me!

Krisy
Wow again! Okay, now I'm REALLY feeling like I have a lot to be working on. :) @Tina AMEN! Me too!!

Emily
And it's not just marriage. As we move to "intelligence," and LIVE the doctrines, we can help so many people!

Beth
I was about to say how nice that would be, Tina. Then I remembered what Elder Bednar said...

Natalie
I realize we set an example all the time, whether good or bad.

Emily
"Becoming" is a big job.

Beth
A huge job! When I focussed more on the "becoming" part than the "missionary" part of the second reading, it made so much more sense.

Natalie
@ Beth good point!

Emily
Beth, yes. And I think if we focus on the "becoming" instead of the "doing," it's actually a little less overwhelming.

Beth
Good point Emily!

Natalie
I think it's a LOT less overwhelming

Tina
I'm trying to be OK with becoming a little better every day. Or at least more consistent.

Beth
That does go back to what I was distressing about earlier on about interacting with people.

Natalie
I am amazed at how much LESS I am beating myself up over my imperfections and getting back up and dusting myself off knowing that it's a process.

Beth
Thanks for reminding me.

Krisy
Yes, a lot less overwhelming. And helps it not be just a "to-do" checklist but rather enjoying the process.

Beth
So very true!

Emily
Friends, it's been a great journey! Next week is our last session together, and I'd love it if everyone would bring one or two insights from the book as a whole that have particularly touched or changed them. It will be a great chance to step back and view it as a whole, integrated book. Love you all!

Beth
All good things end too soon!

Krisy
Darn it! The time is already up?!

Natalie
See you next week!

Krisy
Have a great week! See y'all next Wednesday :)

Beth
See you next week! (and wow, narrow down to just one or two insights? That's going to be hard)

Emily
An hour is short--unless it's in the doctor's waiting room. :) See you all next week.

Tina
I'm hoping to bring the actually book too. :) Until next week.

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