March 21st Increase in Learning Reading Group

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(This is the text transcript from the Reading Group Discussion about Increase in Learning . This discussion was held on Seek on March 21, 2012.)

Emily
Hi, friends! Here we are for our last week together ! What a great journey this has been.

Beth
I don't want this to end. ):

Tina
Me neither. I've learned so much!

Krisy
Me neither! It's been so fun!

Emily
It's been a lot of fun, hasn't it? And a real mind-stretcher, too.

Beth
I've learned a lot. I've had fun. I've enjoyed the companionship.

Emily
Speaking of mind stretching, I have a whole list of questions I want to pose to help us summarize some of the things we've learned in our own minds.

Beth
Definitely a mind-stretcher!

Emily
I've gone back and thought about the themes of each chapter, so my first question is, what do you feel like you have learned about learning?

Beth
That I need to be active in the process. I am NOT "merely an object to be acted upon"

Krisy
As basic as this may sound, I feel like I have final learned HOW to learn.

Natalie
Learning by osmosis doesn't work - you have to really work at it. But if you do the work learning becomes addicting.

Tina
It takes work. And it's very personal.

Emily
Has your learning process changed as a result of reading this book? What do you do differently?

Beth
A lot of work and very personal.

Natalie
I scribble more, and I entertain ideas in a more open way

Emily
I find that I'm enjoying learning--especially scripture study--on a whole different level.

Stacie
Questions are important

Natalie
I'm not afraid to "think outside the box"

Beth
It has. I scribble more. I study better. I am back to enjoying learning.

Tina
I'm looking a little closer and trying to dig deeper so I can apply it to my life.

Natalie
I'm amazed at the role the Holy Ghost plays and when we invite him to be a part of the process new vistas open up to our minds.

Beth
I've also stepped WAY out of my comfort zone.

Tina
And I love that this learning is centered on the scriptures.

Natalie
We see things we would have never seen before without him.

Emily
Stacie--I find myself thinking in questions a lot more than I used to. And I'm doing a lot more scribbling and "messing around" with ideas, Natalie and Beth.

Krisy
I feel like I have learned to understand and to retain information. Before, I always felt like I was learning just because we discover new things every day in our lives. But now, I feel like I know how to take it in, work on processing it and truly learn from it.

Natalie
I find myself "deep in thought" more often now.

Stacie
Emily (yes) I find that my mind becomes flooded with questions as I study, I write them all down and it gives me direction to study more

Tina
I agree. And I understand know that the understanding part is up to me.

Natalie
I don't want TV or radio, I just think more

Beth
I am "deep in thought" more too, Natalie

Emily
How have you moved from knowledge (head) to understanding (heart) to intelligence (action) in some specific principle or doctrine?

Natalie
I know this sounds weird, but my house is WAY cleaner, I think because the doctrines of order are making more sense to me.

Beth
I finally bore my testimony after struggling for nearly a year with knowing I had the testimony.

Tina
In my scripture reading, for sure. Also in my study of the marriage issue in our state and in my mothering.

Beth
But not being able to bear it.

Krisy
For me personally, it's my scripture study. I've always known I should. But now, I want to and I think about doing it every day.

Natalie
And because I am putting God first in study, I am realizing what is important and letting go of everything else.

Stacie
My study for my gospel doctrine class is completely different, and I think that makes my lessons very different

Beth
And definitely in scripture reading. My study notebook is full of questions the scriptures inspire as I am reading - or preparing for lessons.

Tina
I agree. Things that weren't as important have kind of fallen away.

Emily
Isn't this all so exciting? It feels like we're feeling a lot of the same things, which would make sense if we're all being taught by the same influence--the Holy Ghost.

Natalie
@ Stacie, I teach gospel doctrine too and I study and teach in a totally new way now.
It's like spring cleaning for the soul.

Beth
I'm learning from Sunday School and RS lessons in a new and better way.

Emily
It has affected my visiting teaching BIG time. No longer a thing to be checked off, I think about my sisters often and love them more.

Stacie
I see connections and questions where I was just reading stories. I see applications that have deeper meaning for me and hopefully for my class

Beth
Me to Emily! (Visiting Teaching!)

Krisy
Natalie and Stacie, I teach too, but 16 and 17 year olds, and it's been a great experience to see how my teaching has changed to be what my class needs to hear.

Natalie
@ Stacie - YES! And I focus more on the doctrine now too and not just the application.

Krisy
Me too Emily! I love visiting teaching now. And I never ever have before. (Maybe I shouldn't admit that!)

Stacie
@ Natalie, yes. It's more vigorous study but far more satisfying

Emily
As you've pondered about asking, seeking, and knocking, what have you learned about prayer? How has your prayer life changed as a result?

Natalie
totally.

Beth
As far as visiting teaching go - this book was a godsend because it's such a new thing for me and now I feel much better and more confident as a visiting teacher.

Natalie
My prayers have changed DRAMATICALLY.

Emily
Beth, I love that. Confidence is such a natural by-product of feeling the Spirit.

Natalie
I feel like my relationship with my Father in Heaven has changed and so change in prayer is a natural result.

Stacie
My lesson last week was about asking, seeking & knocking. I thought it was interesting not to think of them all in the same vein, but to think of them as separate steps along a pathway. Asking (prayer), seeking (studying, pondering etc.) and then knocking (taking action)

Natalie
I feel like I am asking for answers to heart felt questions and I am being a lot more specific. It's a pretty miraculous thing.

Emily
It changes your perspective to separate them out, doesn't it, Stacie?

Krisy
Natalie, what a perfect way to say it. That's how I feel too. It's almost as though I'd have to try really hard to give one of my old, bland prayers now that I feel my prayers are so much more heart-felt.

Beth
My prayers have more more meaning and feel much less like a task I'm trying to get off of my To Do list.

Stacie
Prayer - far more specific, expression heartfelt desires (like Joseph Smith or the Savior in Gethsemane) instead of just what the usual was.

Emily
I feel like I'm guided more often to know WHAT to ask for.

Natalie
And I am looking for those answers specifically not just going about my day.

Krisy
Emily, can you explain that more - do you feel like you are guided more or just that your heart is in the right place in the first place?

Emily
And I'm much less casual about prayer.

Stacie
@Emily - exactly - inspired prayers

Natalie
I pay more attention to the blessings Heavenly Father is giving me that I am asking for.

Beth
Me too. This especially came true to me when I was asked to say the benediction in sacrament meeting on Sunday. Once I got to the stand, panic struck and I didn't know what to say so I had to say a quick "help please" to God and then I prayed so easily.

Emily
Krisy--things pop into my head that I ought to ask about. Maybe I'm just more awake to those.
Natalie, absolutely. Gratitude becomes a big part of praying effectively.

Krisy
That's really neat. Thanks. :)

Beth
I went from being tongue-tied to saying an effortless prayer.

Emily
What will be different about the way you experience general conference in a few days?

Natalie
I find myself reading the scriptures and thinking, "Okay I don't get this..." and so I pray about it now instead of just putting my scriptures away.

Emily
I mean, our wrap-up of this discussion could NOT have been better timed!

Natalie
I am amazed at the answers I have received.

Emily
I don't think I've ever been so excited for conference to come.

Natalie
No kidding - on the timing thing...

Emily
Not that I didn't love it before, but now I just can't WAIT!

Natalie
We have fast sunday before general conference.

Beth
As spiritually rewarding as conferences already were - with what I've learned from the book I think it's going to be an even sweeter, more sublime experience this time.

Natalie
It's going to be a great opportunity to prepare

Beth
That's a good point Natalie! Sunday is Fast Sunday. It ITS a great opportunity to prepare.

Natalie
I am going to pay more attention to the doctrine the brethren teach instead of thinking, "Oh it's another generic ____ talk."

Emily
I think I'll be a lot less likely to just "tune out" of some talks, thinking they're "not for me." If it's doctrine, it pertains to me. Always.

Beth
Me too Emily - especially when the start talking about families.

Krisy
I agree. I am just excited to hear all the talks - no matter what the topic. I've never felt this much excitement for 8 hours of talks before. :)

Beth
I tended to have to fight zoning out on those talks before.

Natalie
I got myself a new General Conference notebook :)

Beth
Yay Natalie! I should probably do that too.

Emily
I'll be thinking, how can I move this doctrine from knowledge to understanding in my heart, and then to intelligent action?

Beth
:)

Krisy
Yeah, great idea Natalie!

Natalie
I love new pens and new notebooks... I'm a nerd.

Emily
Natalie, your own set of personal scriptures on the way!

Natalie
That's true.

Beth
I love them too. Guess what just has been added to my shopping list? :)

Krisy
No, I'm the same way Natalie! And it's a great idea to get a new, special notebook for such a special experience!

Emily
How has this book affected your interactions with others?

Natalie
I'm excited to "pick apart" the talks looking for the stuff E. Bednar talked about.

Emily
Family members, friends, people you teach.

Krisy
Emily, I like how you summed up the thought process. And with this idea of new notebooks, it'll be fun to map it all out. :)

Natalie
I have a LOT more tolerance and compassion for people.

Beth
Again, this painfully shy to the point of social anxiety and panic attacks person, has more confidence when interacting with others - especially when talking to non-members about the church.

Krisy
I have a lot more desire to be social.

Natalie
Instead of judging I think, "If they understood the doctrine they wouldn't be doing that...just be patient"

Emily
Okay, why do you think this is? What doctrine is working on our hearts?

Beth
Hm.. haven't crossed into wanting to be more social yet - but when I am social it's not as difficult or draining for me.

Natalie
For me it's the doctrine of our relationship with the Father and his Son.

Beth
Receive the Holly Ghost

Krisy
It's all baby steps, Beth. It sounds like it's getting better for you too! :)

Natalie
Once we realize WHO we are and WHOSE we are we look at people differently.

Krisy
And for me, I think it's the doctrine of love. I've realized His love for me, and it's spreading from me to others.

Beth
Yes KrisyS! I've feel the same way about His love.

Natalie
I am also a different parent to my kids and a different wife to my husband,.

Emily
As Joseph Smith said, "A man filled with the love of God" wants to share that love as widely as he can. (Paraphrased, except for the first bit.)

Krisy
Yay Beth! It's almost like I can't stop it! :)

Emily
Natalie, have they noticed?

Natalie
People or my kids?

Emily
Anyone?

Natalie
Yes. My kids say, "WOW MOM, we are learning to keep the house clean and NO ONE IS COMING OVER!!" ;)

Emily
That totally cracks me up.

Beth
LOL Natalie!

Natalie
don't judge. :)

Krisy
That's fun! How old are your kids?

Natalie
No, but they are being nicer and more helpful and I realize it's because it started with me.
6, 4, 8 months.

Krisy
Wow, young and yet still able to recognize your change! That's great!

Emily
How about your husband? Can he see a difference, do you think?

Natalie
yes. I'm trying to think of specific examples.

Emily
I guess the real question is, can we feel the worth of the change within ourselves regardless of whether anyone else ever notices or not.

Natalie
OH!! I am ALWAYS ON TIME FOR CHURCH NOW!!!

Emily
I'll bet Heavenly Father notices.

Natalie
That's a big one for me since I have to get there with 3 kids by myself.

Beth
Yay Natalie!

Emily
Good for you, Natalie!

Krisy
Good work Natalie. I need to make my husband read this book if that's a result...

Natalie
hahahaha!

Stacie
I think it has most affected my relationship with my children, certainly how I teach them. FHE has been a far different experience, trying to focus on doctrines, not applications

Tina
My husband and I have a husband/wife conference coming up and guess what the suggest pre-read text is? :) I'm excited for tha!

Emily
Stacie, are your children little? Does it work, even with little ones, in FHE?

Beth
I do feel the change. That my closest friends notice makes it better, but the fact that I feel the change and know that my Heavenly Father sees the change is really all I need. My friends noticing is the icing on the cake.

Stacie
:)

Natalie
@ Tina - is your husband in CES?

Krisy
Well said, Beth.

Tina
Good guess!

Natalie
me too!

Emily
Ooo, a husband/wife conference sounds so cool. Do you go somewhere special?

Natalie
Yes.

Krisy
Can we all come along too? ;)

Tina
This time Orcas Island. We live in WA. I'm excited to see what everyone else learned. Yes, you are all invited. :)

Emily
Well, Krisy, that would be a little awkward, don't you think? :)

Krisy
Totally joking. But it sounds awesome! What a great learning experience WITH your spouse!

Natalie
@ Beth - YES.

Tina
It will be interesting to see more of the men's perspective on the book too.

Natalie
I feel like Heavenly Father is more pleased with my progress than anyone else and that's all that matters.

Beth
Exactly, Natalie!

Emily
What doctrine or principle do you feel most inclined to dig in and learn about next, with the perspective you've gained from this book?

Natalie
My husband is making "doing" this book into a summer project for his job.

Krisy
I agree Natalie. Because He knows us perfectly, He knows how far we've come and the changes we've made.

Tina
Timing. The Lord's timing....or more waiting on the Lord.

Beth
What Tina said!

Natalie
@ Emily - the doctrine of FAITH. I'll be looking for that one in General Conference.

Krisy
Timing has really stood out to me too, Tina. It's what I really want to be working on and learning to better understand.

Emily
I've been thinking about charity.

Beth
That just came back to me yesterday when something I thought fell through in January is back for a better for me start time. :)

Emily
Beth: that is so awesome.

Krisy
Isn't it amazing Beth. Something similar for me too - last fall, something fell through that is now working out for May. And I now see how perfect THIS timing is, rather than when I tried forcing it and it fell through.

Beth
Faith and the family (and continual learning)....

Tina
I've gone through a horrible disappointment during this learning time. I started blaming myself but now realize I need to wait on what the Lord has in store for me and my family.

Emily
I feel like when my life gets hectic, I get irritated more easily by little annoyances. It feels like charity is the doctrine that could help me with that

Beth
Goodness! There is so much I'm eager to delve into now.

Emily
Or maybe I just need to get through menopause.

Tina
:)

Stacie
Emily - I'm there with you

Beth
Exactly my experience KrisyS!

Stacie
Not menopause (haha) the other

Krisy
Oh Emily, LOL!!!

Beth
You'rr funny, Emily!

Emily
So, how will you go about learning more about the doctrine you've chosen to study? What will your process be?

Beth
I need to work with the framework more.

Stacie
I think Personal Responsibility for our choices, it hard for me to watch my kids sometimes and let them work through the processes they need to

Natalie
I will write specific questions down and pay close attention in general conference.

Tina
I'll start with the Topical guide and find all the places it's mentioned and study the story and characters involved.

Beth
I think mastering how to use it will be the greatest benefit. I feel silly but I'm still struggling with appropriately using it.

Krisy
I will be more open to the answers that I receive for all my questions.

Stacie
For me it's come through questions and asking for direction

Beth
I think I just need to get better at asking the right questions. :)

Krisy
Me too, Beth!

Stacie
Inspired questions :)

Krisy
And like Natalie said, SPECIFIC questions is what I need to work on.

Natalie
I am studying chronologically (beginning to end) the Book of Mormon with that specific doctrine in mind and I am amazed the answers I receive in EVERY CHAPTER. And it's not stuff I could find in the topical guide.

Emily
And, as he suggested several times in the DVD, I'll get a cheap paperback copy of the Book of Mormon and look specifically for the doctrine throughout.

Krisy
Ooh, inspired, specific questions...

Emily
A fun exercise, now that we have this new perspective about questions, is to look for questions in the scriptures. I find I read them in a whole new way.

Beth
I may bulk order some of those paperback Book of Moromon's. I have a LOT I want to learn. ;)

Stacie
Krisy - that's what I ask for in my prayers that He will inspire me to ask the questions that will be the right ones in my class and in my study. It has been an amazing experience.

Natalie
I realized all this was really working for me when I stopped studying my mission scriptures that are all marked up and started studying my new "naked" scriptures.

Krisy
I have found that too, Emily. It's part of what makes me think about my scripture study every day and WANT to be reading them too. Wow - that's a step I haven't taken yet Natalie. But just might need to... :)

Emily
Will ye also go away? What think ye of Christ? If ye have felt to sing the song of redeeming love, can ye feel so now? Am I my brother's keeper?

Stacie
Good for you Natalie, but it opens things up doesn't it.

Krisy
Stacie - thanks for sharing. That's great advice!
Those are powerful questions, Emily!

Natalie
Yes, because I'm not reading them through the "mission lense" anymore.

Emily
I'm also keeping a running list of my own questions when they occur to me. And I write a lot of questions in my scriptures now.

Natalie
verses stand out to me in a whole new way.

Beth
Verses stand out for me in a whole new way too, Natalie

Emily
I'm in the middle of the Old Testament, and I am for sure feeling it differently.

Stacie
Me too, although I would say, words stand out to me. I find myself studying a lot of words and what they mean in the context and why He would inspire them to use that word etc.

Emily
Much less slogging (although there still is some, for sure).

Krisy
I bet Elder Bednar would be jumping for joy if he were here reading along, knowing what success stories we've all become!

Natalie
It makes me excited because I feel like I am leaving a legacy behind for my kids. I'm excited for them to find all my notes and go through them.

Emily
I always start now by praying that there will be something in my reading that will help me that day. And there always is!

Natalie
@ Stacie, YES words.

Emily
Even in Deuteronomy!
Krisy--he would be deliriously happy! Especially if we're outside our comfort zones!

Natalie
I pay more attention to questions the scriptures say - like Emily said.

Beth
Oh then he's going to pass out with delirium with me... I am so utterly out of my comfort zone...!

Krisy
Me too. And I find them so much more applicable to ME. It's not just stories I'm supposed to read anymore.

Emily
I can see that we have all been changed in pretty profound ways by this book. What will you do to STAY changed?

Krisy
I think this book has been re-defining my comfort zone because it's stuff I wouldn't do before but now I actually even like it!

Stacie
One thing that Elder Bednar said in the video with his wife has really affected me. That they go out to find the one. I want the spirit to change me and everyone in my class, but I realize that if it touches just one, that's how the Savior did it. The same thing in FHE, I want it to be perfect (personal flaw) but if just one of my kids gets it that night, then I'm doing fine.

Beth
Reread this book often.

Natalie
Keep up on the "Daily Private Worship"

Beth
Keep using the framework. "Daily Private Worship" too, Natalie!

Natalie
I struggled for a long time because I thought that no study could ever be as good as it was on my mission. I was WAY wrong.

Beth
I can do stuff I couldn't do before. Can't say I'm to the liking it yet... but baby steps. Keep on keeping on.

Stacie
I will keep asking questions and writing down what I receive and then do my best to put some order to what I receive

Natalie
This opened my eyes.

Stacie
And action... don't want to leave that out

Beth
Action! Yes Stacie! Action, action, action, action

Emily
We can do this. In the middle of our crazy, busy, intense lives, we can stick with the knowledge we've gained.

Natalie
I bought some sticky notes to put on my dresser, mirror etc. to remind me of questions and things I want to work on.

Beth
That's a great idea Natalie!

Tina
Keep up the scripture study consistently. I liked how Sis. Bednar likened life to a roller coaster and how the scriptures always keep her constant. I think this can be a great character building time so I'm not so upset by the things life throws at me. I know I can stay who I am.

Krisy
Great idea for reminders, Natalie. Writing things down makes such a difference for me!

Natalie
gives me stuff to "chew on" all day instead of letting my mind wander aimlessly.

Tina
I'll be more steadfast instead of clingy.

Beth
So Natalie has given me something else to add to my shopping list...

Emily
Tina, I love the idea of the scriptures (doctrine) as the constant. It's the iron rod.

Natalie
:)

Beth
Good point Tina! Me too!

Natalie
Conference notebook - check
new pens - check
sticky notes - check
E.Bednar groupie t-shirt - check

Krisy
{copy/paste Natalie's list onto my own}

Stacie
Count me in for the last item :)

Krisy
:)

Tina
I thought how life can be a downer and the scriptures can bring me back up. But I also realized sometimes life can me light minded and so the scriptures can keep me grounded too.

Beth
I love the last one Natalie!

Tina
Haha!

Krisy
Great point, Tina

Emily
What is one favorite quote or concept that you find has really stuck to you? What would you put on the back of that T-shirt?

Stacie
Emily - Agent

Tina
Act and not be acted upon

Krisy
"Increase in Learning Changed My Life" would be the t-shirt for me. :)

Beth
What Tina and Stacie said. Or what KrisyS said.

Natalie
"Out of comfort zone - deleriously happy."

Krisy
But I agree - the concept of being an agent and acting has really been what changed me

Tina
"Ask me what doctrine or principle you need to understand." Ha. Kidding.

Beth
I came FAR out of my comfort zone and I am better for it. Thank you Elder Bednar

Natalie
HAHAHA Tina!

Beth
OK. that's a bit long...

Krisy
That was great Tina!!

Beth
I think the agent acting and not an object merely to be acted on is the big one for me too.

Emily
You guys are all cracking me up. This is so awesome. The concept that sticks with me the most and makes the most difference in my life is the framework. I just keep seeing all those little overlapping ovals and trying to put my thoughts into them. The organizing principle blows my mind.

Beth
The framework is definitely up there for me too. I am eager to keep using it.

Krisy
So you want ovals on the back of your t-shirt, Emily? We should get them ordered... ;)

Tina
I do too as I deal with my children's questions. And trying to get them to get the doctrines and principles "into" their hearts.

Beth
LIKE KrisyS!

Krisy
I agree. The framework has been mind-blowing in my progress of "learning." It's such an excellent way to be able to break everything down and truly just get it.

Emily
Whenever I feel "stuck" in my thinking, I shift something from application to principle or from principle to doctrine, and it all opens up again.

Beth
I think in being the acting agent, the use of the framework comes more naturally. The 2 are actually very related, I think.

Stacie
I think it's the questions for me. I'm a believer, not a questioner, it always felt like it might be a negative before, but I realize that we have to be an agent in all of this and that requires asking and that has put me in a position to receive far more than I thought possible.

Emily
ASK and ye shall RECEIVE. Asking comes first.

Krisy
That's neat, Stacie. I've always been a questioner and my husband teases me all the time for my curiosity. It's great to hear someone who gets both sides. :)

Tina
I have a daughter that is a very good "asker". I realize now what a gift that is.

Natalie
@Stacie, me too! And yet I have had personal experiences during this read that have made me a questioner and I am so glad this book taught me that that's okay and where to go for the answers

Beth
True Stacie! I am starting to think it starts with being the acting agent and the the framework and the asking questions comes as a natural by-product of that. And then the framework...

Krisy
I agree with Beth that the framework and the choice to act work very well together.

Emily
Action. Knowledge to understanding. Ask-seek-knock. They're all related so beautifully.

Natalie
I always thought if I asked too many questions it was a lack of faith. But I was WAY off.

Stacie
me too

Emily
Asking questions doesn't have to be the same thing as "questioning."

Stacie
Maybe that's because we experience people asking uninspired questions

Beth
I do feel a lot better about the fact that I have naturally been a big asker...

Emily
Did that make sense?

Natalie
Heavenly Father WANTS us to ask so our faith CAN grow.

Krisy
It does Emily. Well said.

Natalie
Yep.

Tina
It does make sense. It brings to mind the angel asking Nephi questions.

Beth
So true, Emily!

Krisy
And with that, Tina, Nephi was willing to look.

Emily
Ooo, yes, Tina. I'd forgotten about that!

Krisy
He didn't just ask to ask, he followed through.

Natalie
"to be learned is good if ye hearken to the counsels of God"

Stacie
I think it's the part of Agency that can be hard, the agent part, that we have to ask - and then he will "fill us"

Beth
Remember Joseph Smith didn't just ask what church was true. He asked what church was true so he would know which church to join.

Emily
So, an inspired question would be one that we intend to act on when we have an answer. That feels like a definition that would help me ask more inspired questions.

Tina
That's the hard part. Unless my will matched the Lord's. Then it's easy.

Beth
Yes Stacie! And that often we have to act before we get the actual answers we seek - to open our mouth and He will fill it

Natalie
@ Beth - yes.

Stacie
I think inspired questions are sometimes ones so that the spirit can help direct or frame our thinking, perhaps in a different direction than that particular scripture has taken us before - that is my experience.

Natalie
I am amazed at how the Holy Ghost has prompted me to "dig further" as I ask questions.

Beth
Elder Bednar saying how we need to ask in faith and then be willing/prepared to act on the expected answers...

Emily
For me, I think I need to just ask, ask, ask, without worrying too much about whether the questions are inspired. I would hate to stop myself from asking just because I wasn't sure I was doing it "right."

Stacie
You are right. I agree, j

Beth
Very true, Emily!

Natalie
And Elder Bednar made it quite clear that there is no "right or wrong"

Emily
See how good I am at talking myself out of intelligent action?

Natalie
to this process I mean.

Krisy
As they say, there are no such thing as dumb questions.

Emily
That's right. No question is wrong if it moves you forward.

Tina
And then do. I've realized that just asking in my circumstance wasn't enough. I had to exercise my faith. And exercise is rarely just sitting there.

Stacie
But my questions direct where and what I am looking for, so when I'm praying before I study, I ask the Holy Ghost to inspire the questions that come to my mind.

Natalie
I really liked when Elder Bednar kept asking the young man on the video questions until he found his own answer

Emily
He was pretty stubborn about not giving out answers, wasn't he?

Tina
I liked how their faces lit up when they go it too.

Natalie
@ Stacie - great idea - "inspire the questions"

Stacie
But, I'm also asking questions not for myself, but because I don't know what the questions or concerns or problems that the spirit might want to answer in class. I at least want to give him an opportunity

Beth
I loved that part to, Natalie! And yes Emily - very stubborn!

Emily
@Tina, going back to the exercising your faith part--that often becomes the sticking point for me. I get all excited theoretically and then fail to translate it into action.

Beth
I am the same way, Emily!

Tina
Not you, of course, but maybe sometimes we don't let it all the way in our hearts.

Krisy
I struggle with that too, Emily. But I've noticed that as I apply the framework to what I'm learning, I find a motivation for action that I never had before.

Emily
ALL THREE parts of the framework are important.

Stacie
Agreed

Natalie
If I remember correctly E. Bednar gave a talk and said motivation rarely comes before the act but it comes IN the act.

Emily
Natalie, that has been my experience for sure.

Tina
Good to remember!

Emily
But oh, that's hard for me.

Natalie
So before I was praying for the motivation to do something, now I am doing it and pray that the motivation will come.

Beth
Elder Bednar did also point out that Peter probably didn't know he could walk on water until he tried....

Tina
There is strength is doing. Who said that?

Emily
Natalie, LIKE

Natalie
@ Beth - right. Cleaning my house is sometimes akin to walking on water...

Beth
"open your mouth and it will be filled"

Emily
Tina, don't know who said it, but it's certainly true.

Beth
"act and the inspiration/answer will come"

Natalie
@ Tina - President Uchtdorf?... Don't quote me though - I hate inaccurate attribution.

Tina
I'm sure it's been said lots of times. :)

Beth
Probably many of our leaders ˙have said it? :)

Emily
I hate, hate, hate to say this, but I just looked at my watch, and we are out of time. I want to thank you all so much for participating in this group. You have truly been agents who acted, and my life has been blessed because of it.

Natalie
hahaha

Emily
Can you each give us one more parting thought?

Natalie
The quote that stood out to me the most was in the book but it was by Elder Bruce C. Hafen, "because of the atonement we can have experiences without being condemned by them"

Tina
Yes. That's a deep one!

Beth
It's been great Emily! I've learned so much from these conversations that have helped me get even more from the book.

Natalie
I feel much more comfortable "experiencing" now and a lot less worried.

Stacie
I loved that one too Natalie. It's been a great journey so far, wonder what I'll learn the next time through the book. It'll be a whole new adventure I'm sure.

Beth
And the book has helped me to overcome a couple of significant roadblocks too.

Krisy
It has been great Emily. My parting thought is that as we go back and read the preface to this book and see what Elder Bednar promised we could learn - he was 100% correct. This book is powerful.

Natalie
Yes - this is definetly the first of MANY reads.

Beth
That really struck me too, Natalie.
True, KrisyS!

Tina
I feel more in control of what happens each day by starting it right, taking the time to feast on the scriptures. Thanks so much for helping learn so much more than I would have without you guys.

Beth
I can't believe how much more confident I feel - especially being this far out of my comfort zone.

Natalie
So now we need another book to discuss - because this is WAY more fun than my book group (shhh don't tell)

Stacie
Or keep discussing this one

Beth
I like the idea to keep discussing this one. :)

Emily
My parting thought is Elder Bednar's reminder (to myself most of all) that it is our personal responsibility to be active learners all our lives.

Natalie
It's been wonderful. Thanks everyone for sharing your insights with me. I have grown tremendously.

Stacie
Thanks for everyone's insights it has been invaluable to me

Beth
Thanks all for your insights and encouragement. They mean a LOT to me. And are invaluable

Krisy
I agree. It's been wonderful to share this experience with friends that were working to implement the changes at the same time as I was.

Beth
<3

Krisy
Even though I've never met you, I consider you all friends! :)

Emily
I'm sure we'll do more book groups in the future, so keep watching for that. We're working on refining the process so it's easier to get in without needing a Urim and Thummim to log on. But I'm grateful for your patience, and for sticking with us to the end. You all feel like valued friends to me. If you haven't yet, please friend me on Facebook so we can keep in touch!

Beth
I feel the same way KrisyS!

Emily
You hang up first. No, you hang up first. :)

Stacie
:)

Beth
Friend request on it's way. And anyone else - feel free to friend me as well. :)

Tina
When do I get my t-shirt? :)

Natalie
Take care everyone

Krisy
Bye everyone!

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